When:                Summer of 2009 Photographer:        Bill \ JudyPhoto submitted by:  Bill \ Judy 

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Census provides the following data: name of head of household was listed first and the 2nd person was the spouse, followed by the oldest child, next oldest, and so on until all the children were counted. Other family members, and tenants were listed last.
Now check the 1860 Census Roane County, West Virginia, you will see John and Rebecca Heart is listed head of household and spouse but no Heart children listed......Only Duff is listed......Leah, John, Nancy (would be a Duff, not a Heart....by the Roane County 1860 census),Joseph, and Mary Duff. This clearly shows their only one Nancy Hart in Roane County, in 1860......
Sincerely
Mary Claybourn

Remark Nellie Bell: Photocopies: We are getting a lot of feedback on the 1860 census of Roane County, W. Va. See the table below for details of the photocopy of Stephen and Mary Hart and John and Rebecca Heart handwritten census records from the microfilm. So that everyone can see them here.

On your website, 'Linda' mentions that she has an article on Tom Reed. I believe Tom Reed was my Great Grandfather. Do you know how I can obtain this article of him being killed?
Patty Williams
Virginia

Remark Nellie Bell:
Hi Patty

You can find the facts about Tom Reed in The Southeastern reporter, Volume 23 By West Publishing Company, Comprising All Decisions of Supreme Courts of Appeals of VA and West VA. You might find a copy on Amazon Books or at a public library.

Their many discrepancies about Nancy Hart's death and as often as not, the information in these family trees is inaccurate because people are chasing a wrong bloodline so such discrepancies can arise. What I call the big discrepancy about Nancy legend is Ranger Joshua Douglas, to the best of my knowledge he didn't have anything to do with the Moccasin Rangers but somewhere along the line back in the 60's and 70's Joshua got added to the story and a new urban legend was born.

I'm one of through believer that Nancy didn't make it through the war. The Union largely controlled West Virginia after 1862 and some believe Nancy Hart did spread death and terror in some areas of Webster, Clay, Calhoun, Nicholas, Greenbrier and Roane counties and the local Confederate sympathizers, angered by Nancy life of crime, burning houses, slaughtering livestock, even killing were blamed on Nancy band of bandits so they were not welcome in their counties. The Confederate sympathizers pledged to drive these bandits from their county or kill them and the Union considered Nancy and the Rebel guerrillas to be outlaws. Old-timers say the settlers at the forks of the Cherry River threatening to lynch Nancy and crying "get a rope!" because they also experienced a period of lawlessness, when guerrillas, outlaws and small bands of unruly soldiers from both sides -- looted their homestead and slaughter their sheep and cattle. She rode off into the mountains as if she were running away from the world and have never been seen again. Nancy legend could often be heard when old-timers gathered around "pot belly" stoves of country stores or around the fireplaces from a by-gone era; I'm old but I will always remember those local legends about Nancy.

A few weeks back (Sunday May 1, 2011) Osama Bin Laden the Most Wanted Terrorists was unarmed and killed so this should come as no surprise to anyone that the Union Snake-Hunters pledged to eliminate Nancy and the Rebel guerrillas and it was easier to killed them, shoots first asks no questions, less problems for the Union. They buried Nancy on a far mountain where people do not go often.
Michelle Burris

Remark Nellie Bell:

Thank you for those memories, I was in Tennessee last year and they had one of those wood-burning pot belly stove, it was a cozy little place inside and we was listening to live bluegrass well after midnight.

OK getting back to Nancy, you know you're not the first one asking questions about Joshua Douglas role. The Clues is in the 1860 Census Records of Webster County and Joshua Military Records 1861/1865 and his Grave Memorial at Richwood Cemetery Richwood West Virginia.

It's amazing how fast Osama Bin Laden story continues to change so this should come as no surprise that Nancy Hart Confederate spy story continues to change but she still captivates West Virginians, after 150 years.

I believe that's true that Nancy was kill at Cold Knob Mountain - Greenbrier county, near the present town of Richwood WV and others are barking up the wrong family tree. Most of the discrepancies are about the former Ranger Joshua Douglas.

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Click here to See Joshua Douglas records

Union Generals were determined to stop Confederate spies and execution spies like Nancy was a necessary and justified act of vengeance for the Unionist guerrilla like the "Snake-Hunters" long forgotten until now? Young boys that were spies were hanged as well. Like the President said, "Those who have a problem with the killing of this man (Osama Bin Laden) need to have their head examined". Many of Union Generals felt this way about Confederate spies and referred to all southern guerrillas as bushwhackers. To the best of my knowledge she was hanged in late 1862 in Greenbrier County, West Virginia and hung by a lynch mob of Union sympathizers and Unionist guerrilla.
Melissa Dobbins

Remark Nellie Bell:
I believe that's true. She led an attack on Summersville, (July, 1862) in which Captain Starr and a Union force were captured and they burn the town and she was a Rebel terrorist to the Union sympathizers in Webster, Clay, Calhoun, Nicholas and Roane counties and after Connally or Conley was killed at Welch Glade W.Va. and Union forces gained control of the country around Summersville, making Nancy's escape impossible and her execution apparently certain and the Union Snake-Hunters smeared the lines between warfare, and crime and have been known for execution bushwhackers.

NOTE! "Guerilla"

They are usually local band of militia who use their knowledge of the terrain to their advantage by ambushing and never engaging in open warfare. The Guerilla units are much often smaller than the force they take on, and due to their fear of open warfare, they are often labeled as cowards by Confederate and Union armies. The Guerillas are usually considered to be more of a terrorist organization than anything else, and are best countered by another guerilla unit attacking "their" people. This counter-Guerilla unit will effectively flush them out or recede to the point where they almost realized the full hopelessness of their situation.

Did Rebecca or Rebecka Heart daughter marry Joshua Douglas and how are they getting Bolling for the maiden name for Rebecca Heart and Leah Duff. I simply can't find a marriage license for John and Rebecca Bolling Heart or Leah Heart who (married Joseph Duff) she was Rebecca Bolling Heart sister. I know it's not always easy finding someone's maiden name, but I'm wasting my precious time searching through the reel of records. Can You Help?


Remark Nellie Bell:
John and Rebecka Hart and Adaline - age 18 is on the 1850 Washington County census and John and Rebecca Heart and Leah Duff - age 29 was on the 1860 census in Roane County that all we can find and I don't think that Leah Duff is Rebecca sister. Where they getting Bolling for the maiden name for Rebecca and Leah Duff is a mystery, there is no indication whatsoever that Rebecca or Leah Duff was a Bolling unless someone out there has a marriage license that I've never seen and not one of Rebel Hart descendants married anyone named Bolling/Bowling/Bolen/Bolin/Bollin that I could find. I wish that I could find a key to unlock all the mystery events surrounding Rebel Hart. A good beginning would be to find the marriage records for Rebecca Heart, Leah Duff, and Joshua Douglas they would hold the clues for the maiden names. We know by the 1900 Census Webster Co WV Glade #512 that Joshua Douglas wife was Nancy but no conclusive evidence of her maiden name is Hart or Heart. We found Oral literature but no conclusive evidence of her maiden name and didn't find a death certificate on Nancy Hart?.. Nancy age on the Joshua Douglas 1900 Census Webster Co WV Glade #512 didn't match Nancy Hart, Confederate spy age. We listen to the cold, hard facts and whenever dates did not match, we tried to find out which age was correct and Nancy Hart of Roane County West Virginia was born abt.1846 and I would imagine her parents would be The Blue and Gray Family, Stephen and Mary Hart of Roane County WV. The identity of Joshua Douglas wife Nancy maiden name has never been confirmed with conclusive evidence.

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A lot of women from the 1800 include today use their maiden name as middle name and if she was a descendant of Scotch-Irish family and most of the Scotch Irish were descended from Scottish and English families. In the 1800's it was common in the County Ireland and United State many women choose maiden name as middle name with husband's family name.

I have tried repeatedly for years to get a response from you on the facticity of material you post. I have written extensively on the subject of Nancy Hart and the Moccasin Rangers (Civilian War in West Virginia: The Moccasin Rangers). Lack of replies to these queries will force me to reflect negatively on this site for its disregard for accuracy, promoting erroneous history. Other writers and historians share that this experience is not limited to me. If you will not answer I will also share this e-mail with friends, even around Richwood.

Remark Nellie Bell:
As a writer... you should know that Historical knowledge is never detached from wider questions.

To keep things simple, where'd you get that repeatedly for years from! Anyway some of us will have different assumption that does mean we are incorrect; we know Historical facts sometimes require interpretation, sometimes not.

So we invite you to start by reading the questions on the feedback page, as it turns out, quite a source on Nancy Hart, descriptions and links for sources from readers, and Joshua Douglas descendants, Stephen Hart descendants and so forth and it clear up a few of the loose ends that have been floating around in my file for years and there are many remaining issues to be addressed.

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We look at facts and all history depends on interpretation of the facts. In some cases people do select a historical fact that is indisputable on which to base their storytelling and avoids others lesser significance facts and add something that they got from oral communication from descendants or old-timers, make it sound way more dramatic to catch the reader attention and the accuracy of oral source depends upon respondents providing truthful answers.

In books or articles for books, journals, magazines, and reference materials about Nancy Hart, I think it's fair to say that they select some facts and avoid others. Nancy is both a historical person and a fictional character. The same is true for any story based on historical persons. I'm sure there are many differences between the historical Nancy and the character Nancy in these books, stories and articles, that's my opinion.

We all know about the well-known photo of Nancy Hart taken by Civil War photographer Marion Kerner, but what happened to the photo discovered by Christopher Dulaney of Craigsville and Jim Taylor in Richwood and is there more pictures of Nancy Hart.

Sincerely, Tom Witherspoon

Remark Nellie Bell:

There is only one known picture of Stephen and Mary Hart daughter from Roane County taken by Civil War photographer Marion Kerner, we couldn't find any Taylor descendants from Nancy Hart, Confederate spy but we did find Jim Taylor holding a picture of his great aunt at http://www.nkclifton.com/nancy.html and the photo discovered by Christopher Dulaney, I really don't knows any thing about that photo.

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Any help is greatly appreciated on the photo discovered by Christopher Dulaney of Craigsville.Thanks!

Do you have a Civil War enthusiast in your family? Nancy Hart is my favorite Civil War character. Hero to some, villain to others and she was a spy for the South in the War Between the States. I'm a huge Civil War buff and the sesquicentennial of the American Civil War is upon us. The Civil War also known as the War Between the States remains the defining era of American history with heroes on both sides of the American Civil War.

It began April 12, 1861, when Southern troops opened fire on Fort Sumter, Charleston, S.C. More Americans were killed in the Civil War than any other war in history. The war divided the people of the United States; in some families, brother fought against brother, sister against brother, etc... The war ended 4 years later on April 9, 1865, when Confederate General Robert E. Lee surrendered his army to Union General Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox Court House in Virginia.

My question is how many states going to have a Civil War sesquicentennial and is West Virginia going to have any activities.

Sincerely, Judi

Remark Nellie Bell:

"You Know You're Right". In less than a few days, the country will begin celebrating the sesquicentennial of the Civil War; including West Virginia and many others states but not all states will have Civil War sesquicentennial activities. So those Civil War enthusiasts looking for a traveler's guide to the best Civil War sesquicentennial activities might want to consider Civil War Traveler "http://www.civilwartraveler.com/events/", one of the leading resources for information on Civil War events.

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The West Virginia Sesquicentennial of the American Civil War Commission has been established to plan and promote state activities and observances.

Thank for a place for everyday people to publish their own theories.

During the early 50's we were writing a school paper about a famous person in the Civil War and most of us wrote about Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson ( 1824-1863), Belle Boyd (1843-1900), etc, but one of our class mate wrote about Nancy Hart. As you know there are many theories about what happened to Nancy Hart after the war. I remember him reading the short story in class about Nancy, his mother was a Hart and Nancy was his ancestor and here is the more important part of the story.

Nancy Hart of the Confederacy led an attack that burned most of Summersville to the ground and after a brief trial, she was ordered to be hung. She escaped death by killing her Union guard with his pistol and escaped to Cold Knob Mountain, Greenbrier County, West Virginia.

The young barefoot, innocent looking girl, close to nature, and naturally compassionate for the Confederate States of America was later captured and hung to death by Union soldiers on Cold Knob Mountain, Greenbrier County, West Virginia as the scene was being set for the end of the Civil War. I don't know if it's true, but I always thought it was and this made learning about the Civil War that much more exciting and interesting in the 50's for our class.

We though it was weird how her brother James Hart killed at Cloyd's Mountain Company G, Ninth West Virginia Volunteers Union from Roane County West Virginia and her other brother Kelly Hart" fought for the Union Army in the Civil War.

Sincerely, Denise

Remark Nellie Bell:

That not so weird, in hundreds of border state households, brothers and sisters, sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, and friends really did fight one another in the Civil War.

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Well I'd heard about it, There are many such questions buzzing up in my mind about Nancy and the Confederate Spy Girl Hanged in Greenbrier County, West Virginia and you know it generating lots of buzz in the Early 1900s and the 21st Century.

I'm afraid there are some mis-truths on your site.

Nancy died at home, not hung at all. She escaped by killing a guard, went home and had two sons and lived her life. There are articles written about that as a matter of fact. I believe I have copies and I know Kathy Clifton has them.

Kenos and George were her sons. Kenos was my grandfather.

As a kid I heard all the stories, as did the rest of my cousins and my siblings. Mavis, my sister, the Nancy Hart look alike in our family, remembers and talks about them all. Seeing how she was her carbon copy people delighted in telling her all about Nancy. What she heard was directly from her grandparents, no mis-read or mis-interpreted articles.

My sister, Mavis Jewel Duff looked just like Nancy when she was young. They called her the "spitting image" of Nancy and her nick-name was "little Nancy". She's still alive, 76 now, living in Baltimore, Maryland.

Aunt Moppie McCollam was my mom's sister. I have pictures of Kenos, Mahala and all the kids... Moppie, Jimmy (yes a woman--my mother), Josh, Ada, Ruth, and Ruby.

Aunt Moppie of course died some years back. Her grand kids have pictures. There were one or two other pictures of Nancy, given to Aunt Moppie's granddaughter Donna, but they were stolen. They were tin types as well.

Anyway I left copies of these pictures at the Richwood Library and have posted them on Kathy Clifton's web site. Kathy has excellent reliable information on her site.

Where they got the impression Nancy was hung is beyond me! And yes she was married my great grandfather. She is not a myth, a legend, she was a real live woman who fought the northerners and was a moccasin ranger along with my great grandfather and she did a great job at it and killed people when she had to. There was a war going on and she was for the south! I'd have to check my records to make sure it was first cousin, but my mom and my sister both told me that she was first cousin to Andrew Johnson who became president when Lincoln was shot. Kathy Clifton has that information. Info on her site is correct. I resent incorrect information being posted. Aunt Moppie represented the family in accepting an award for Nancy Hart. YES, SHE'S FROM OUR FAMILY!!!!

If you wish pictures I'll send them to you, but I would appreciate correct information being printed, not incorrect lineage.
Thank you!

Remark Nellie Bell:

We host many different views of the Hart lineage from many different sources and we don't think there are any miss truths on our web site, just different views about Nancy Hart and what happened to her after the civil war. We do print correct information and always try to get it as right and as fair as possible.

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MORE than 165 years have passed since the birth of Nancy Hart of Roane County West Virginia and the only thing historians ever agree on is that she was the daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart of Roane County VA/WV. Born abt. 1846 and was a Confederate Spy, rode and fought with the Moccasin Rangers and led several raids against Union Troops in Summersville West Virginia and yes she was a real live girl and there is a plaque about the civil war girl on the Summersville Courthouse lawn in West Virginia.

Some of the stories about her are fact and some are myths and over the years many individuals began to draw their own conclusions about what happened to Nancy after the civil war and some individuals now believe she was hung by the Yankee troops on Cold Knob Mountain - Greenbrier County West Virginia. After a careful examination of all the emails and records such as census, births, deaths, marriages, deeds, wills, Newspaper articles published all the way back in 1910 about the Civil War, it is quite possible that she was. An article about the Civil War telegrapher Marion H. Kerner said the last glimpse at her was shortly after the Summersville raid and he never heard of her since.

There have been many versions of the same Nancy Hart Story. Even though most newspaper stories add something that they got from oral communication from Nancy descendants or old-timers, many unanswered questions remain after 165 years.

What story you choose to believe and every truth and myth uncovered about Nancy only reveals a deeper mystery about the young "Confederate Spy" girl.

My grandmother Myrtle Mae (Hunley) Hollandsworth was the granddaughter of Nancy Hart. Her mother never married Nancy Harts son, George Douglas, but he was in my grandmothers life. My grandmother never wanted to talk about it because she was ashamed to tell that she was an illegitimate child, but we finally talked her into it one day while out on the porch stringing leather britches. She went with her Grandmother Hart and her father George to Oregon and worked with her in a logging camp cooking for the men. My grandmother was born in 1900 so it was around 1908 to 1909 when they went to Oregon. She told us about Nancy being a spy for both the north and the south. She told us "the way that gram-ma told them stories of being near captured would raise the hair right up off your neck. The Richwood Grade School put a marker up and it said she was buried on Kennison Mountain and mamma said," no she isn't she is buried right up the Greenbriar road just up from where the road ends on Mannings Knob". There is any old cemetery up there that has more than one of our relatives. That is about all I can remember now, seeing that I am nearly 60 years old myself and the ole light is dimming, if you know what I mean. I would love to have any information you have concerning Nancy.
Sincerely,
Carolyn S. Harvey

Remark Nellie Bell:

On the 1900 Census Webster County George's father Joshua Douglas wife is Nancy if we predict Nancy maiden name without some sort of proof.....This would be just another gross assumption that is totally unfounded and Joshua Douglas wife age wouldn't match Nancy Hart Confederate Spy of Roane County VA/WV age, and you are saying that Nancy was still alive in 1908 and 1909, their many discrepancies about Nancy Hart's death, the memorial at her grave site point to her date of death as 1902, are we talking about the same Nancy, the daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart of Roane County VA/WV. Born abt. 1846

THE 4TH GRADE CLASS OF BEAVER GRADE SCHOOL put a marker up at Manning Knob Cemetery also known as Nancy Hart Cemetery. The location of Nancy Hart Grave Site is in remote areas of Greenbrier County and The Monongahela National Forest and best approached through the town of Richwood WV. Driving directions from Richwood, head northeast on W Main Street (WV-150/WV-39/WV-55) toward Oakford Avenue 1/2 mile, Turn right at Oakford Avenue 0.2 mile, Turn right at Maple Street Approx 430 feet, Slight left at Greenbrier Road 1.6 miles, Continue on Country Hwy 39/1 several miles to Mannings Knob, Follow the direction of the sign until you reach the grave.

Hello. I am Ivan Morgan Hunter's granddaughter. I saw a question about him on your web site and thought I'd answer it. His parents were John Blair Hunter (1854-1939) and Annie Virginia Ott (1859-1942) of Augusta County (probably Stuarts Draft), Virginia. And though it's true Granddaddy was a fire watcher for the forest service, I don't know of any obsession with Nancy Hart.. He just wanted to be buried near where his tower was.

Remark Nellie Bell:

Thanks for Clearing THAT up, we really appreciate your help.

Is this really true, Ivan Morgan Hunter was a retired Fire Warden who worked the Manning Knob fire tower for many years and was obsessed with the Nancy Hart stories so he wanted his remains to be buried near her. I am doing a genealogy but am stuck finding much about Ivan Hunter. I have found his grave on your page, but not much else. Anyone can help me? I need to find birth certificate or death record, so I can see who his parents was in Augusta County Virginia and trace his parents back in time.
Thanks
Elizabeth Mccauley.

Remark Nellie Bell:

We are sorry but we don't have any info on Ivan Hunter, I know some people might want to be buried on this nice lonely mountain top but unfortunately "we just don't know why his grave is here."

Hi, I stumbled across your page and thought I would tell you what I know. Not sure if you're still updating, but If you get this please let me know. First of all, my name is Jason Hicks... my mother is Carolyn Hicks, her mother is Juanita Rawlings, her mother is Myrtle Mae Hollandsworth, her father was George Douglas who was Nancy Hart's son. So Nancy Hart is my great great great grandmother. I have no idea why there's a tombstone with her name on it that says she died in 1902. That is impossible because my great grandmother told us back in the 80's and 90's all kinds of stories about spending time with her. Nancy Hart was Grandma Mae's grandma and she spent a lot of time with her as a child. In fact one year they went out to Oregon with George I think and cooked for the men in the lumberyard... Nancy Hart didn't die until at least 1910...

The only thing we know with 100% accuracy is that she was the daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart of Roane County VA/WV. Born abt. 1846 and was a Confederate Spy.

Is there more then one known picture of Nancy Hart? There is a Jim Taylor in Richwood holding a picture of his great aunt Nancy Hart on the World Wide Web, maybe this could be Nancy B Douglas from Greenbrier County who married Joshua. I'm a little surprised that more people didn't pickup on this, they were in the same place at the same time.
Thanks
Deanne Hart Harper

It seems like I read an article several years ago about Jim Taylor but I don't think that picture of Nancy is Stephen and Mary Hart renegade daughter from Roane County. There is only one known picture of Nancy Hart and we couldn't find any Taylor descendants from Nancy Hart, Confederate spy. I would think carrying out future research regarding Joshua Douglas and Jim Taylor Great Aunt and Nancy B Douglas from Greenbriar County would raises questions regarding longer draw firm conclusions regarding Nancy and determined myths from the truth....

Comment:
The World Wide Web will produce a variety of stories, folktales, myths and legends out of nowhere, some stories have been interpreted falsely as myth when they should have been read as history. The World Wide Web is a great tool to find researchers with whom you can exchange information, but be sure to examine and judge carefully the information you find on the Web.

Remark Nellie Bell:

This marriage record doesn't hold the clues for Nancy Hart of Roane County?
For instance, wrong parents, wrong last name.
Parents Names on marriage record: Stephen & Polly Heart
Parents Birth Place on marriage record: Jackson County W. Va.

On this marriage record Nancy, the daughter of Stephen & Polly Heart was 22, born in Logan Co., WV and married 24 October 1867, Jackson Co., WV to Joseph Lloyd Jr. Her parents are named on the Marriage License Stephen and Polly Heart. The other Heart family in the area was John and Rebecca Heart. With no Heart children listed in the 1860 census report.

If you are a Civil War buff, you likely know about Confederate spy and renegade scout Nancy Hart and all the facts, this is for the ones that don't know about Nancy, especially when researching a name as common as Hart in the civil war period in Logan, Boone, Kanawha and Jackson and Roane Counties. Here is the problem researching Nancy history, to much circumstantial evidence, without reasonable conjecture closely connected with Roane County and Nancy, however, without doubt this is not the marriage record of Stephen and Mary Hart Daughter Nancy Hart, "Confederate spy" the renegade scout from Roane County.

Comment:
You can get Nancy Heart records on the internet at: West Virginia Division of Culture and History.
Users can search the birth, death, and marriage records on-line and view scanned images of the original records. Not all of the County records are scanned, but do check back with the site frequently since this is an ongoing project.

An urban legend that had been around at least since Civil war and my friends and I have tested this urban legend many times; No one really knows what happened to Nancy after the civil War... The only true facts we found about Nancy is she was born abt. 1846 her parents were Stephen and Mary Hart of Roane Country Virginia and she was Scotch-Irish descent and a spy for the South in the War Between the States. Led rebels on several raids against Union Troops and led an attack on Summersville, (July, 1862) that resulted in some of it being burnt to the ground..... Thanks ...
Sandra Annette, Asheboro, North Carolina

Remark Nellie Bell:

This Story about Nancy Hart, "Confederate Spy" is true; those Urban Myths are after the war. An article about the Civil War telegrapher Marion H. Kerner in Leslie's Weekly in 1910 said the last glimpse at Nancy Hart was shortly after the Summersville raid and he never heard of her since. She may be dead. Most articles on Nancy Hart life after the American Civil War are basic on fairy story with a happy ending. Many historians were dismayed at seeing so many different legendary Hart story of her life after the American Civil War.

Over the years many historians began to debunk the legendary Nancy stories of life after the civil war. So many of Nancy Hart stories after the civil war sounds like those "urban legends" that grow up over the years. So my though, shortly after the Summersville raid, she died or was killed by the Yankee troops.

Thank you for a very interesting site but it is amazing how many people are so sure of different facts... I'm a little surprised you seem to ignore the few facts that are available such as the 1910 Wash. St census, (because of Nancy B.) There is a Greenbriar Co deed dated 1889 that shows Nancy and her sons sold 50 acres on Roaring Creek, (10 miles from Richwood) and her name is shown as Nancy B Douglas. How can you not say these 2 official records prove that Nancy did not die in 1902? Please don't say the new marker provided by grade school children prove otherwise. BTW, more than one person has said that Ivan Hunter made that first marker. The only photo does indeed show it was pretty crude. Ivan Morgan Hunter was a retired Fire Warden who worked the Mannings Knob fire tower for many years and was almost obsessed with the Nancy Hart stories which is why he asked to be buried near her.. There really is a death record for a Nancy Hart of Gilmer co. who died in 1902.. I expect this is the Nancy they got mixed up on.. She was 62 and would have been born in 1840.... Thanks again for an interesting site... Larry Brake N Canton Oh

Remark Nellie Bell:

The grave site is sure to stir up more questions about her death? No one is certain about her death or what became of her after the civil war, the findings of the professional historians is that she was born late 1845 or early 1846, she was of Scotch-Irish descent and the daughter of Stephen Hart and Mary Plumley and Nancy was a spy, scout, and guide for the Confederacy during the American Civil War.

We didn't ignore the 1910 Wash. St census, we needed some sort of proof stating Nancy maiden name, such as births, deaths, marriages, deeds, or wills that states that this person maiden name was in fact Hart. There is little or no connection with Nancy B Douglas with Roane County Virginia (present-day West Virginia) in 1860.

I am the great great grand daughter of Seth and Jane Hart Spurlock. I have always been interested in the Spurlock genealogy. I was on the computer last night, and I typed in Hart Families in Russel County, Va. and I found an article on Nancy Hart, Confederate Spy. It gives her parents as John and Rebecca Bolling Hart. She had a sister listed as Mary Elizabeth Hart who married William Price. It also gave the marriage date and a list of their children. Could this be the Nancy Hart that is confused with Nancy Hart, daughter of Stephen Hart and Mary Hart. It would be interesting to see if this is accurate information. Alphaeus Spurlock, a son of Seth and Jane Hart is my grandfather. My name is Beulah Edwards. I would like to hear from you. Thanks

Remark Nellie Bell:

Nancy Hart has both captured the public's imagination and been the source of heated controversy. So I couldn't really give you a yes, other to say that based on ours facts and historical records that are available that Nancy Hart, Confederate Spy of Roane County parents are Stephen Hart and Mary Hart, we couldn't find any meaningful or accurate information to change the result for us to believe any other way. While no genealogy is 100% accurate we do ours best.

We found Mary Hart on the 1850 census Washington County, VA age 13, and through diligent and conscientious research, we have tried to logically connect Mary to Nancy Hart, Confederate Spy of Roane County but couldn't find any meaningful or accurate information so it is our belief there no connection between Nancy Hart, Confederate Spy and Mary Hart of Virginia. We did find a William Price 1856 (Virginia) Marriage Mary Polly SILTNER (Birth 1835) William Death 19 Sept. 1861, we don't know if this is the same Price and this is the only available information we got on William Price.
I hope you'll find this helpful.
Nellie Bell

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I am researching the following Roane County families and this information could be very useful to the descendants of Nancy Hart. Stephen Hart born in 1809 NC, died in 1896 Roane County WV (son of James and Elizabeth (?) Hart both NC) and Mary Jane Plumley born 1812 NC, alive 1880 Roane County, WV (daughter of William Plumley born 1775, died 1842 NC. And Jane Jackson (?) born 1778 NC). Their children were (#1) Jane born 1833 Russell County, WV married Seth Spurlock born 1826 Logan County, WV (Seth was a son of Charles and Parthena Hager Spurlock). (#2) Martha born 1834 Russell County, VA. Died 1899 Roane County, VA. (#3) James 1860 Roane County, VA. (#4) Charity born 1837 VA., alive 1870 Roane County VA., (#5) William born 1840 VA., alive 1850 Boone County, VA. (#6) Kelley S. Born 1842 VA. Died 1913 Webster County, W. Va., married Sarah Haley, (#7) Nancy (Confederate Spy) born 1845 VA., alive 1860 Roane county, Va., (#8) Floyd born 1847 VA., alive 1870 Roane County, W. Va., (#9) Catherine born 1849 VA., died 1942 Roane County, W. Va., married John Haley, and 2nd married John Booth, (#10) Doliver born 1851 VA., alive 1870 Roane County, W. Va., (#11) Rebecca born 1853 VA. Alive 1860 Roane County, VA., (#12) Salina born 1855 VA., died 1934 W. Va., (13) John P. Born 1857 Roan County, VA. Alive 1860 Roane County VA.
Thank You
Margaret Kathleen Farrell

PS any information would be appreciated about the Plumley Family of NC. (William Plumley and Jane Jackson are my g-g-grandparents). Looking for Descendants of John Plumley: Minnie Plumley b July 1889, Married Franklin Bowden, James A Plumley b 14 Oct 1893, d May 1977, married Sidney Harty, Ida Plumley b Mar 1893 Lizzie Plumley b Nov 1893 Mary Plumley b Oct 1897, Stephen Plumley b 11 May 1900, and d June 1987 Jenniah Plumley b 1900.

Remark Nellie Bell:

Your Feedback Is Important to Us. We know that you are busy and have lots to do. That's why we really appreciate when you take the time to send in your feedback we really appreciate your help so that we can all learn about Nancy Hart descendants. Thanks for the info.

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Hi, stumbled across your page. I am Stephen Timothy Hart of Riner, Va. My father is from Franklin co Ga. I am a relative of Nancy Hart, the Revolutionary War spy whom Hart co. Ga is named after. The Ga. Hart's came from the Carolina's as well as your Stephen of Roane Co. W.Va. Our genealogy is somewhat of a mystery to me, though I do have extensive info of my maternal genealogy. Any help you could provide would be invaluable and much appreciated. Father is Joel, his father was Guy Henry, and his father was Henry. That's about all I know. They were from the Sandy Cross / Royston area of Franklin Co. Georgia. God Bless you, Tim Hart.

Remark Nellie Bell:

Historically, there is actually very little evidence to suggest that Stephen Hart of Roane Co. W.Va. could be a direct descendent of Benjamin and (Ann Morgan Hart Known as Nancy Hart, the Revolutionary War spy )

She was not a member of the Hart family by birth, Nancy Hart (Revolutionary War spy) was born Ann Morgan, the daughter of Thomas and Rebecca Alexander Morgan in 1735. She married Benjamin Hart, the son of Thomas J. Hart who was born in England in 1679 and died in Hanover County, Virginia in 1755

It is widely known that Benjamin and Nancy Ann Morgan Hart and Stephen and Mary Hart was born in North Carolina.

Benjamin and Nancy Ann Morgan Hart had three sons and two daughters James/Morgan Hart, b. abt. 1761, married Katie Sizemore. Their son Edward Hart, b. 1785, d. 1859 in Ashe Co., North Carolina married Nancy Baker, b. 1795, d. 1860. Edward appears in the Ashe CO., North Carolina census until about 1840. Their son Robert Hart, b. 12 Feb. 1811, d. 12 Jul 1879, married Amy Burtz, b. 24 Jul 1822, d. 12 Aug. 1893. I believe Robert and Amy Hart were in Ashe Co., North Carolina until before 1860, then moved to Dekalb Co., Georgia. After the revolution Benjamin and Ann Morgan Hart moved to Carolina's where he died and she eventually moved to Henderson County Kentucky where she died in 1830 and is buried. I hope you'll find this helpful.

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Hi! What an awesome sight, I'm looking forward to beginning some investigations on Nancy Hart, myself. Keep up the good work!

Remark Nellie Bell:

We appreciate any help of any sort we can get.

Looking for information on John (b 1803 NC) and Rebecca (b1804) Hart and their daughter Adeline G. Hart. Believe they came from Ashe Co., NC. They lived in Russell Co., Smyth Co., VA and Kansas Territory. Their children: Jane, Adeline, Mary, Henry, John, Nancy, and Joseph. My 4thGreat-Grandmother was Adeline G. Hart; she married a James Harris 1850's. Any information would be appreciated to finish part of the family tree of my 4thGreat-Grandmother Adeline G. Hart

Remark Nellie Bell:

I don't know much about the John and Rebecka Hart family you are referring to, but I found John Hart who seems to fit this family on the 1850 Census Washington County, VA Among the old-timers and their descendants It is reasonable to assume that the family move across the border to Kansas Territory in 1850's, and staked a claim to a homestead in Kansas but have not found evidence of it myself. I haven't got any info on James Harris and no record of a marriage or the death of an Adeline G. Hart or Adeline Hart in Roane County. Have not found any of them on the 1860 census or later.

I have been told that my great, great grandfather George Ferrell (married 1880) had one spouse named Catherine Hart, she was a widow when he married her, (her husband's kidnap and murder, un-specified bandits blamed for the murder) born on March 10th, 1849 in Boone County, West Virginia and a child named Margaret. Her grandmother a hundred percent Cherokee Indian Elizabeth Catherine Sizemore and my great, great grandmother Catherine looks just like her grandmother. Her father was Stephen Hart, and he was born in 1810 Wake Co. NC. Her mother Mary Plumley was born in VA/WV in 1812. Some family member has said that she was an orphan and that she was Cherokee Indian but didn't find prove of this. Her brother James Hart killed at Cloyds Mountain May 9, 1864. and her sister Nancy Hart was a Confederate scout, guide and spy in the Civil War and she was hang (Nov., 1862,) Catherine and her spouse homesteaded in Trout Valley or Friars, Greenbrier, West Virginia. The information given by her daughter to my mother from Catherine bible 1922, than from her own memory of Catherine. I would appreciate any information on Catherine.

Remark Nellie Bell:

At the time of writing this remark, I seem to have hit a brick wall with Catherine Hart at the moment. There is actually very little evidence to suggest that Catherine Hart was in fact 100% Cherokee, she was part Cherokee, and her grandfather married a southern Appalachians Cherokee. In those days intermarriage was not uncommon with the Cherokee. We found "no credible evidence" that she married George Ferrell but it is quite possible that she did, some of her family descendents had connection her with the Ferrell name. I would appreciate any credible information or source that link Catherine Hart with the Ferrell family that anyone could give me.
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I am a long time fan of Nancy and always wanted to be her when I was young. I am 23 now and a amateur historian, but still enjoy reading and re-reading all of the online information materials through chat rooms, Blogs, newspaper articles, and stories with a mixture of fact and folklore about the Daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart who lived the Legend.

Nancy Hart of Roane County is sometimes confused with Nancy Ann Morgan a North Carolina native who lived near Elberton, Georgia during the American Revolution War and married Benjamin Hart. Nancy Duff of Roane County VA/WV born in 1843 and lived with John and Rebecka Heart Roane County VA/WVA is sometimes confused with the daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart. There really are no similarities between these three girls except there first name is Nancy. Why are they confused?
Katie
From Hart County, an hour-and-a-half from Atlanta Georgia

Remark Nellie Bell:

They are confused and frankly I could not tell you why, unless they were coated her life in the possibility of myth versus fact. Personally, I'm convinced with the findings of the professional historians that Nancy was a spy, scout, and guide for the Confederacy during the American Civil War and she was the daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart. Otherwise if you don't believe the historians speculations will belong to fantasy and fairy-tall.

We're now seeing some revisions among historians about The Confederate Spy of Roane County they shake their heads and wonder how so many people could believe so many stories about Nancy Hart. What do you think about that?

Remark Nellie Bell:

I think it's great that so many people is getting interested in history and Nancy Hart and I contribution this to the computer age. Never in world history has one invention had such an influence on humanity as the compute. You are right, when historians write about Nancy the Confederate Spy of Roane County in the future they'll shake their heads and wonder how so many people could believe so many different stories. Without the computer age, there wouldn't be this much awareness of the Confederate Spy of Roane County

If Nancy was hung how did she come to her husband Joshua when he died Oct. 25, 1907. Or if she was hung after this date, why? After all it was 42 years after the ending of the Civil War. Just an old man's who has read a little about Nancy question.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Nellie Bell wrote:
Hi Richard,

Historically, there is actually very little evidence to suggest that Nancy Hart was in fact married. An article about the Civil War telegrapher Marion H. Kerner said the last glimpse of Nancy was shortly after the Summersville raid and he never heard of her since. She may be dead. Most articles on Nancy Hart are basic on an article published in Leslie's Weekly in 1910. So with this info and her brother Kelly Hart and some of Kelly Hart descendents that suggest that Nancy Hart was in fact hang (Nov., 1862,) The fictitious parts of Nancy Hart The Confederate spy is after the civil war, virtually no proof of her exploits can be historically documented.
Sincerely,
Nellie Bell

From: Dulcimerman
Sent: Aug 26, 2008 5:30 AM

Nancy's claim to fame is only the Summersville incident as far as I can tell. Let me say I actually know very little about Nancy Hart. Just what I have read and heard. It is not uncommon for errors to happen with head stones. In fact I have an uncle who is buried in the Richwood Cemetery. Has a nice head stone. Also has a nice headstone in South Carolina. Now won't that be a nightmare for some one doing research in a hundred years or so. And I am told this is done a lot. Ok here is a statement you posted. "Remark Nellie Bell: You are right about the new marker it was purchased by the 4th Grade Class of Beaver Grade School 1986-1987 Craigsville, WV. The scuttle butt that I have been told, the dates on the new marker came from the original old stone grave marker of Nancy Hart bearing her name and the dates."

I have seen the graves on Manning Knob as long as I can remember. The man who was stationed at the fire tower there was good friends with my family. He showed the graves to us many times. There were no markers on the graves. Some time after the tower was removed some one put a cement marker up. Then the school put the newer marker later. And one other point, the man showed us the slave cemetery. It was on the side of the knob. Family he claimed was on top of the knob. It was a common practice for the slaves to have the worst piece of land for there cemeteries. Understand this is the only thing I am disagreeing with. There were no markers on the graves when I was young. I think Ivan Morgan Hunter was the first marker there.

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Nellie Bell wrote:
Hi Richard,

So the headstone in South Caroline is a fake grave and no one is buried in that grave, I am disagreeing with the nightmare. In this day and age too many record or documents (such as undertakers/cemetery receipts). I can't understand why it would be necessary for someone to have a fake grave marker placed in another state. ... Now to the Nameless Graves, If there were no markers on the graves in the 50's and 60's where did those old markers come from? Who is buried in Nancy's grave? This has been one of the most profoundly baffling questions about Nancy Hart. So who is buried at Manning Knob at Nancy Hart new marker or is this a fake grave. I have to wonder why all of the confusion. Surely someone out there in Richwood country has the answer and some photos of the old stone or cement grave markers. Any help or photos gratefully appreciated on the old markers.
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From: Dulcimerman
Date: Aug 27, 2008 4:29 AM

Here are 2 links with the pictures on it. The last time I was there the cement marker was broken. My mother and I think Ivan Morgan Hunter marker was there before the small cement marker for Nancy was placed. A well known lady in Roane county does cemetery transcriptions tells me she knows of several "fake head stones" She says it if not rare. In my uncle case he wanted to be buried by his dad. There was more room in the cemetery for my aunt to be buried beside uncle. My aunt lived in South Carolina so she has a plot there and had a stone for her husband put beside hers. Seems unusual to me, I guess different folks have different ideas. any way these 2 links have pictures of the markers. Now why the person who posted the Nancy Hart cemetery listed it as Spring Creek I have no Idea. http://www.richwooders.com/net/nancy/nancyhart-grave-pics/nancyhart-marker.htm
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=1965895

Remark Nellie Bell:

A weather-beaten headstone mystery surrounds Nancy and I wonder who made the small handmade cement headstone and carved and chiseled in the Nancy Hart name and dates. If you are right about Ivan Morgan Hunter (1881/1965) marker was there before the small cement headstone for Nancy, it would have been placed after 1965, 43 years ago. I bet someone somewhere will spill the beans on how a Nancy Hart headstone placed on a Nameless Grave ...at the Manning Knob Cemetery also known as Nancy Hart Cemetery and is so listed on Williamsburg District Cemeteries List ...the cemetery is in the western Greenbrier County, near the town of Richwood, West Virginia.

In the Charleston Daily Mail, Thursday, April 18, 1963 there was a story about the Roane County Girl Nancy Hart Served as Confederate Spy, Scout by Adrian Gwin of the Daily Mail Staff. Mr. Adrian Gwin's interview with Nancy's grandniece Mrs. Jessie Ferguson Keith of Fola, Virginia. According to Mrs. Keith, Nancy was born in Raleigh, NC in 1846. Nancy sympathized with the Confederate side, when she was 14 joined the Moccasin Rangers. My Question is, if she was 14 in 1861, she would be only 16 or just turned 17 when she led an attack on Summersville, but some groups and websites has reported her aged 20.
Sincerely,
Katharine Norman

Remark Nellie Bell:

When I saw your comment I was sure I was missing something. Now, I know and you are right..... she was 16 or just turned 17 when she led an attack on Summersville....... As a matter of fact, newspaper historians agree that she was born 1846. From the mid-70s on, general questions about her birth and death has been particularly distorted. I suspect there are many journalists shaking their heads at some of the Nancy Hart Stories, interviews and articles posted on the net. The facts from the historians that she was born 1846 and was the daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart of Roane County and we makes it a point to stick to the facts because there is no doubt that truth can be discovered through a rigorous analysis of the facts.

I just came across your name on the Nancy Hart story. Do you know if Nancy had an daughter out of wedlock and she gave to the Davis family in Richwood? The story goes that she gave her daughter to the Davis family and they raised her as their own. She later married one of the Davis sons.

Remark Nellie Bell:

Children born out of wedlock were much more likely to be abandoned by their parents and placed in foster homes than were the children of married but I don't think Nancy Hart of Stephen and Mary Hart Family of Roane County Virginia in 1860's had a child out of wedlock. We still can't find any records or direct proof to show that Nancy Hart of Roane County had a birth out of wedlock or births within wedlock.

From: Frances Adams
Do you know of any Davis family that she might have been close too? That's who she supposely gave her daughter to.

Remark Nellie Bell: Sorry, we don't know of any Davis family she might have been close too.....that's it as of now. But if we find out something, we'll share it with you and the rest of the world. But we do know she was a great fan of Jefferson Davis and thought Jeff was one of a kind. She was always saying to herself, Whoop! Hurrah! Yay! for Jeff Davis.... The old timers will remember this for sure that she spied so well for the Confederacy that The Confederate President Jefferson Davis credited her with helping Stonewall Jackson in his famous Valley campaign. She was jailed in the Summersville jail with a telegrapher person Marion H. Kerner and their was a Yankee Captain Samuel Davis who thought she was a pretty little spitfire, but Captain Samuel Davis had pretty negative feelings toward her and wasn't blown away by her look.

Jefferson Davis 06/03/1808 - 12/06/1889 First and only president of the Confederate States of America 1861-1865.

Nancy's brother Kelly or Kelley Hart had a daughter born 1870 named Sophronia D. Hart. This name has been spelled many different ways...Saffrona, Safrane, etc...and the middle initial has also been seen as A. She married my 2nd great uncle James Harmon Thompson in Roane Co. on 28 Aug 1887. From there I can't seem to find them. Does anyone have any idea what happened to James and Sophronia?
Thanks,
Kim

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At the time of writing this remark, I seem to have hit a brick wall with James and Sophronia at the moment. Anyone familiar with James Harmon Thompson and Sophronia Hart of Roane County or know anything I'd be interested in hearing from you.....
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Hey Nellie Bell! My grandparents lived at Renick around Falling Spring Greenbriar, I used to spend every summer there when I was growing up. I love Greenbriar County and miss it very much. It is God's own country. I have lots of old cousins still there in West Virginia. My mother was a Spurlock and my grandma maiden name was a Hart. She and my grandma told me a few legendary stories about the civil war...... One of my favorite stories about the Civil War concerns the Confederate Spy of Roane County.

As my grandma says, I have a true civil war story, with my Grandma (may she rest in peace), every story is true and is repeated about 20 time a year. Here it is in a nutshell.

Nancy Hart's role during the Civil War has become legendary in Greenbriar, Nicholas, and Roane Counties, and was known without a doubt to be the Confederate Spy of Roane County and her family was one of The Blue and Gray Family of Roane County. This fifteen year old looks like any other teenager except for her really long black hair which was like velvet, feminine coal black eyes and her black boots, she join Captain Perry Connolly or Conley, a leader of the Moccasin Rangers in 1861. She was known far and wide and very noticeable on horse back with that remarkable black long natural hair. She rode like a man in the territory that would become West Virginia and without a doubt to be the best marksman with either a musket or a pistol in the territory, and frontier life was rough. You might describe Nancy as a girl of beauty with many personal difficulties, hot tempered, having a keen mind with a photographic memory, but she could neither read nor write but she could sew and did an excellent job spying for the rebel, far more successfully than was intended.

She was captured during a raid on Summersville and escape to Greenbriar County where she was arrested by the Union forces and sentenced to hang for being a spy... the confederacy didn't know about the hanging, so they couldn't save her from the gallows, just shy of her 18th birthday. Her brother James Hart killed at age 28 was one of the union casualties of Cloyd's Mountain May 9, 1864. .... Thanks to my siblings for helping me and my Grandma Hart for telling me this story so I could pass it on. Thanks to my friend Patti at the nurse home for sending it to you....

Remark Nellie Bell:
This is a story we know so well about Nancy Hart, we don't know what happened after 1843 but soon after the Civil War, no one have seen her or heard about her until 1910. An article about the Civil War telegrapher Marion H. Kerner said the last glimpse of Nancy was shortly after the Summersville raid and he never heard of her since. She may be dead. To this day, there have been many versions of the same Story with Fact to Fiction, and Folklore in Nancy Hart's World. Although its hard to separate Fact, Fiction, and Folklore, I think we are headed in the right direction.

I am a women's military history, specializing in the CW and WWII. Please see my "Springing to the Call" at nymas.org -- right side bar, scroll down -- for a photograph of Nancy Hart. I've been told all the information is not accurate but have not yet been able to correct it.
Sincerely,
C. Kay Larson author
South Under a Prairie Sky: The Journal of Nell Churchill, US Army Nurse & Scout_, a fact-based work of fiction, amazon.com/xlibris.com

Remark Nellie Bell:

C. Kay Larson give readers an idea of the range of duties the women carried out: some of the civil war women were Rose Greenhow, Belle Boyd, and Nancy Hart. There a photograph of Nancy Hart at the end of her tribute.

In the early 1940's the Richwood paper mill moved from Richwood West Virginia to Plymouth, Washington County, North Carolina 27962, several of the mill workers migrated with the mill and lived in a small village named little Richwood Village which is still there today. Charlottie left Richwood with a man name Payne he was a pulp mill superintendent with a wife and many children.... Charlottie was about 27 and pregnant, she didn't say anything when she left Richwood.

Charlottie went to NC with Charlie or Charles Payne and his daughter follow them and shot Charlottie dead........ That how the story or legend went..... We believe it at first but right now we don't think she died that day. She would be about 95 and her son or daughter would be about 67. This lady would know about Nancy Hart of Roane County. We don't want to raise expectations too high but does anyone know what happened to Charlottie and her child. She was born Sep 1913, Camden On Gauley, Webster County West Virginia and there are 3 spelling of her first name Charlotte (spell like the city of NC.) and Charlottie the way we spell it and last but not least Charlott. I think the name of the paper mill in NC. is Weyerhaeuser Pulp and Paper Mill.
Thank You....
Jean Driskell
Remark Nellie Bell:
This is a story we know so well about Charlotte, we don't know what happened but soon after the shooting, gave everyone the same chilling thought she was dead.

Apr 13, 2008 6:11 PM
Is there a link between Charles Payne Born: 1880 Married Anna Marie Queen 1905 or Charles Payne Born: 1865 Died: 1975 Age 110 Married Anna Eliza Anderson 1910, they spent several years living at Richwood and in and around Nicholas County WV.
Bert Hill

Remark Nellie Bell:

At the time of writing this remark, we found "no credible evidence" of any connection between these to men and Charlottie Hart. Now, it is time to get something from you! Does anyone know any thing about Charlottie Hart and the Payne connection please let us know......

Charlottie Hart

I didn't think too hard about Charlotte Hart, NC., as a match for Charlotte Hart, WV.. But the information leads me to believe that the Charlotte, NC., is the same as the Charlotte of Roane Co, West Virginia.
I am not 100 percent sure about this, but it worth exploring, so we need to do some more research so we can confirm this information. Thanks for the info. Linda.

Charley Payne & that isn't correct

Date: Nov 11, 2008 8:04 PM

Saw where you were asking for information on our Aunt Charlotte Hart. Here is what mom told me. When they closed the Paper Mill in Richwood, WV, Charley Painter transferred to Plymouth, N. C. he was a boss for the paper plant there. We noticed you had his name down as Charley Payne & that isn't correct. Mom knew him well. Charlotte was with Painter when he went to Plymouth they wanted Mom to go. Charlotte was a few months pregnant when she left with Charley Painter? Mom said it was late in the fall because her & Charlotte walked up South Fork, because Charlotte was crazy about wild grapes they were ripe, they usually get ripe in October. Charley & Charlotte left the next morning that was the last time mom saw Charlotte. There was a man & his wife that mom knew that moved to Plymouth with the mill, they came back to Richwood, about a year later, mom ask about Charlotte, he said he knew Charley Painter well & knew Charlotte he said he had seen Charley several times but Charlotte was not with him. Judge Stricklers mother in Richwood, lived next door to mom upon main street, she said she knew exactly what happen to Charlotte, that Charley' s wife & two daughters both older than Charlotte went to Plymouth & was hiding in the house when Charlotte & Charley came home. They were hiding behind the bedroom door curtain & that one of the daughters shot Charlotte & some of Charley's wife family told Mrs. Stickler? Mrs. Strickler is death now. The story went that they buried Charlotte's body or got rid of the body they didn't say how. Don't know what happen to Charley Painter? Is there anyway you can find Paper Mill employees records? He was salary, check the web sight & see what year the mill left so you would know what year Charlotte & Charley Painter left Richwood. Hope this is some help.
Keep in touch.
Your cousin Doug?

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Thanks for the name correction and The Richwood Paper mill shut down in 1942 during the summer of 1937 the Kiekhaefer Container Company, was building a Pulp Mill in Plymouth North Carolina.

Richwooders pulp mill workers was transferred to Plymouth, North Carolina. It was owned by John W. Kieckhefer which was merged into Weyerhauser in 1957. In March of 2007 Weyerhauser sold its paper interests to Domtar Paper Company LLC. The paper mill is now a Domtar paper mill while the onsite sawmill is still owned by Weyerhauser. I would think Charley Painter and Charlotte left Richwood between 1937 and 1942.

We think she might have lived through the shooting and went to Rocky Mount, which is about, 75 miles West of Plymouth. Rocky Mount was the closest city, to Plymouth that she could go to, by train. If the Painter girls were trying to kill her, she wouldn't tell any one in Richwood that she went to Rocky Mount. Because the Painter family was in Richwood and she would be afraid that the Painter family would find out where she actually live at. There was a Charlottie Hart in Rocky Mount,
Birth Date: 7 Sep 1913
Death Date: 27 Set 1997
Social Security Number: 241-40-5589
Rocky Mount NC.

I'm trying to find more information about Charlottie Hart in Rocky Mount, she only been dead for 11 years, someone in Rocky Mount, NC. knows her. I was in the Plymouth area this September but didn't find out much, I'm trying to find out if this Charlotte is our aunt. If there isn't a body then I think that she might have lived through the shooting and we got a cousin we don't know about and so far haven't found any employees records on Charley Painter.
Thanks cousin Doug

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There were two Joshua Douglas in the area of Greenbrier and Webster County and we don't know which one marry Nancy Hart the Confederate Spy and maybe Nancy the Confederate Spy didn't marry either one of them. Nancy was a popular name back in those days and was use as either the first name or middle name and if you didn't have a middle name, you just use your mother maiden name or use your own maiden name. For example my great great grandmother Given Name is Mary and Nancy is the middle name and Hart is the maiden name. Everyone knew her in Kanawha County as Nancy Hart but that not her given name. To many reasonable people assumption of Same place, same story, same name, must be right. NO! Never do this without some sort of evidence stating the relationship as fact. Without sources, thing is mere hearsay. Knowing only that a piece of information originated from Great Aunt Bernadine's pedigree chart does not prove much of anything.

Sometimes people who are in the same county or near by counties at the same time may seem to be related, but in reality only have the same name. Unless there is some sort of proof, such as births, deaths, marriages, deeds, and wills that states that this person is the son, daughter, etc. of so and so and X are related. The original information is not necessarily wrong, but further evidence is needed to verify what is happening.
Thank You, Diane Everhard

Remark Nellie Bell:
You probably are right, there's more than one Joshua Douglas in the area of Greenbrier and Webster Counties and we need to do more research regarding thier wives.

I am the great, great granddaughter of Nancy Hart. My grandmother was the daughter of George Douglas, son of Nancy Hart and Joshua Douglas, and Norma Jean Ballard (Hunnley). They were never married, but George Douglas took his part as a father and Myrtle Mae (Hunnley) Hollandsworth was his daughter. Nancy Hart was never hung, but lived to a ripe old age and died in the year of 1913. My grandmother quoted this year, as she remembers she was 13 the year her Grandma Hart died. Myrtle Mae lived with her mother in and around Trout Valley. She went to Oregon with her father, George Douglas, by train when he got a job as a lumberjack. She earned her keep by cooking and cleaning for the men at the logging camp. She was close to her grandmother Nancy Hart and told many a story about her living up on Greenbriar Road. She also told about an uncle that had no legs...was this Nancy's brother? I don't know for sure, but she told many a story about him.
Thank You, Carolyn Harvey
Remark Nellie Bell:
Did Nancy go to Oregon with her son George Douglas and granddaughter Myrtle Mae Hollandworth or did she died in Trout Valley West Virginia. Went To Oregon; What Year?

Nancy Hart didn't go to Oregon as far as I know. Mamma never said anything about her going. Mamma said she was 8 or 9 when she went to Oregon. Mamma said Grandmother Hart lived up on Greenbrier Rd when she died.
Carolyn Harvey
Remark Nellie Bell:

Did you know that George Douglas and Brother Kenes Douglas was in Washington state in 1910 and their mother Nancy, was on the 1910 Census.

1910 Claquato Pct Lewis Co Washington #23 Kenes M. Douglas age 43 m. 10 yrs b. Ky; Mahala age 32 Ch: 8 born/5 living b. WV; Ruby G 9 dau b. WV; Moppie F 8 dau b. WV; Joshua 2 son b. WV; Mable 2 mos dau b. Washington; NANCY B. age 66 mother Ch: 6 born/2 living b. Va parents b. NC

1910 Claquato Pct Lewis Co Washington #24 George T Douglas age 39 m. 4 yrs b.Va parents b. WV; Bertha B age 20 b. Pa Ch: 1/1; May M. 9 dau b. WV; Jessie 2 dau b. WV

According to this Mamma was born 1901 which is false. She was born Sept.10, 1900
I remember Moppie coming to see Mamma while I was there one year in Richwood. Who would name their kid Moppie...lol
It says Nancy B ...was this Nancy Hart? What did the B stand for?
Carolyn Harvey
Remark Nellie Bell:

The age is one year off, but that is not unusual for census records of this time period.
It would appear by some people that her middle name was Bernadine but there is actually very little evidence to suggest that Nancy B. was in fact, Nancy Bernadine. Bernadine is French and comes from the German name Bernard and means bold as a bear. We know Nancy was bold as a bear but she was of Scotch-Irish descent so the middle name doesn't sound right.

On the 1900 Census Webster County Joshua Douglas wife is Nancy and it appear as Nancy B. on the 1910 Washington state Census. If we predict Nancy maiden name without some sort of proof.....This would be just another gross assumption that is totally unfounded. Unless there is some sort of proof stating Nancy maiden name, such as births, deaths, marriages, deeds, and wills that states that this person maiden name was in fact Hart.
It would thus appear that Nancy birth was wrong on the 1900 census or this is not Nancy Hart Confederate Spy of Roane County VA/WV born 1846.

1900 Census Webster Co WV Glade #512 Joshua Douglas b. June 1841/age 58 m. 36 yrs b. WV Father b. WV Mother b. WV; Nancy b. July 1843/age 56 children born 5/living 2 b. Va parents b. NC; George b. Jan 1870/age 30 b.VaFather b. WV Mother b. Va son/single; Keenes M. b. July 1866/age 33 m. 0 (less than one year) son b. Ky-WV-Va; Hailey b. Dec 1877/age 22 ch: 1 born/1 living daughter in law b. WV-Va-Va; Clayton Brown b. Dec 1897/age 2 step grandson b. WV-WV-WV (this is a s/o of Mahalia Baldwin and C. H. Brown)

The problem I am having is finding the proof in any records of your Nancy's maiden name, and if she is from Roane County, W. Va. Some claim that Nancy Hart died 1902 and she is buried in Manning Knob in Greenbrier County, West Virginia. Joshua Douglas died October 25, 1907 in Richwood. Kennos son Josh, was born in 1908 and if we are talking about the same Nancy from Roane County born in 1845 or 1846 you probably are right about her death 1913......

Are there any records available showing Nancy's maiden name as Hart and if so, are there any records available showing she was in Roane County West Virginia in 1860. Do you know the trial date in connection with Kennos, who was charged with killing Tom Reed at a dance in Trout Valley? I would appreciate any credible information or source that anyone could give me.

Date: Jan 21, 2008 9:17 AM
I am looking in my papers for any dates and etc. Am also sending a page on Thomas W. Reeds death. It says shot by Douglas. That would give some idea on the trial date.
Linda
Remark Nellie Bell:

I have heard of the story of Kenos, but I had never really know much about Kenos. He was supposed jailed for life for killing Thomas Reed at a dance in Trout Valley.

West Virginia Vital Research Death Register - Record Image. Show Thomas W. Reed December 28 1893, Place of Death Greenbrier County, Shot by J. L. Douglas. Reed Age 28 years 4 months and 11 days. Father and Mother Names Eliza and Sarah J. Born VA. Married to Anabella Reed and name of person giving Information of Death (Eliza Reed) Thomas W. Reeds father.
So, by the details of this Death Register Keenes M. Douglas didn't kill Thomas W. Reed it was J. L. Douglas

This is a long shot but could Joshua Douglas the Confederate Ranger Kill Thomas Reed. There was a story about Nancy's last public appearance was shortly before her death. It was at the Courthouse in Lewisburg, to testify in behalf of Douglas, who was charged with killing Tom Reed abt. 1893.

I could be going on a long shot here but does anyone know anything about the Tom Reed death and the trial of J. L. Douglas.

Josh Douglas death
Linda
Remark Nellie Bell:

Checking on Josh Douglas death it would appear that the whole thing is a bit confusing. Many are not sure that Josh Douglas the Confederate Ranger ever lived in Nicholas or Greenbriar County, others believe he lived in Pocahontas County, some think of Josh Douglas only as a young Civil War soldier who use the Ranger as a kind of initiation into manhood and after suffering battlefield injuries Josh returned to his boyhood home in Calhoun County.

Here what we do know, there was a
(1) Joshua Douglas b. 5-24-1838 d. 10-25-1907, from stone in Richwood Cemetery, Nicholas Co WV.
(2) 1900 Census Webster Co WV Glade #512; Joshua Douglas Date of birth June 1841
(3) From the West Virginia Vital Research Records -Joshua Douglas age 72. Place of death: Cordova, Greenbriar County West Virginia
Occupation: Farmer, Name of person giving information of death: K. M. Douglas (Son), Date of death: Oct 25 1907 b. abt. 1835

This letter was written to me Dec.2, 1979, she (Moppie Douglas) said her brother was 70 or 71 years old at that time. She says he was about 6 when Nancy died, at their home on Manning Knob. Since this is her grandmother, I have believed her version of the story thru the years. She also calls her "Nancy Bernadine Hart", so I believe her name to have been Hart. Moppie was a very kind person and not apt to embellish the truth. Linda

Remark Nellie Bell:

I don't think Nancy Berdine Hart is the Civil war spy, Nancy Hart of Roane County.......Moppie made the statement that Nancy Berdine Hart was my dad mother but that all I know except she died at our house. Moppie was twelve or thirteen so I think she would be Captivated by her grandmother stories as a scout, guide, and spy for the Confederacy during the American Civil War and serving with the Moccasin Rangers and her Southern views on the Civil War. You surely wouldn't forget it.

Moppie has also made a statement that Kenis Martin was my dad. Mon had 10 children to him.

Census record 1900, Webster Co., W. VA. Nancy was born in July 1843 in VA. Nancy Hart of Roane county was born 1846. Another reason why I don't think this Nancy is the Civil war spy.

Nellie, I don't know on all this but, I know when I came home from school when I was in 8th grade and told mom about Nancy Hart the Civil War Spy, she immediately knew to tell me about her cousins...and about Nancy being the spy. She told me she was in my family. Mom was not one impressed by fame and fortune. She was very down to earth and sensible. Also, on the thing with Moppie telling me "that was all she knew".. I had ask her a bunch of questions about dates, places, happenings and stuff. By the time I ask Moppie she was an older lady (70's) and it had been years since all this stuff happened. I had also ask her a lot of dates on birthdays, deaths, and family tree info that did not pertain to her grandmother, Nancy. She could have been referring to that...which is the way I understood it to mean. How ironic would it be for a different Nancy Bernadine Hart to marry the same Joshua Douglas that the spy rode with. Another thing is this. These folks were not "big on talking about those kind of things. I still can not get my dad's family to talk much or admit anything about Melungeons. lol I think they probably would NOT have talked a lot about her being a "spy" because of all the families that lost boys in the war. I think they would have been afraid of retaliation or just someone "trying to make a name for themselves". I do know Moppie was a quiet like lady. A lot of the confusion between Greenbrier and Nicholas is because the Mountain "up on Manning Knob" is up Greenbrier Road out of Richwood. When my mom moved over to Nicholas, from Greenbrier Co., when they were young girls. They came across that same mountain, that same dirt road with their belongings in a wagon. That would have been about 1925. Part of it is in Greenbrier Co. (Renick-Cordova area) and then you are in Nicholas Co., and Richwood. It is all on the top or side of that mountain and if you aren't an old timer or someone that travels up there a lot, you would cross these lines and never know it. On # 1. Josh would have been 69 when he died. On # 3.It says Vitals say he was 72. That doesn't mean a lot tho...the records I have looked at in searching is off a lot of the time. I will see if I can find anything else in my records that may help. Linda

Remark Nellie Bell:

Someone in your family was talking about Nancy and your family tree with relatives and your mother..... If it wasn't Moppie its someone who knew Nancy or knew the story of Nancy Hart......

I shared the blame for the confusion, but we are not talking about county lines. We are talking about why did they buried Joshua Douglas in Richwood and not Cordova area of Greenbrier County West Virginia. He died in Cordova, quite a ways from Cordova to Richwood W. Va. in those days. Just like you said, in 1925 horses and horse-drawn wagons were still the dominate form of transportation. People nowadays have no conception of how far 50 miles is, you can do now in an hour what it would take as much as two to three days on horseback. When we come to think of it, the earliest living inhabitants in Cordova area had too much to do to spend much time or effort in the burial of their dead and were too poor to go to much expense in buried their dead. So why would they want to take Joshua to a public cemetery in Richwood. Surely they could bury him there on Manning Knob.

If you are right about Joshua age being 69 and was born in 1838 and died in 1907 and if you go back to the 1900 Census Webster County WV (Glade #512) Joshua Douglas b. June 1841/age 58 m. 36 yrs, he would got married around 1863 and if you go by the date 1838 Joshua m. abt. 1864 (age 26). By those dates they got married during The Civil War (1861/1865). There are many articles on Nancy Hart marrying the former Ranger Joshua Douglas after the civil war. So here we go again even more confusion and now we believe they are two different individuals, Joshua Douglas from Cordova area of Greenbrier County and Joshua Douglas from Webster County WV.

Some of the stories about her are fact and some are myths and over the years many historians and individuals began to debunk the stories of Nancy Hart after the civil war. The first story about Nancy Hart appeared in the Leslie's Weekly in 1910. Marion H. Kerner said the last glimpse of Nancy was shortly after the Summersville raid and he never heard of her since. She may be dead. Over the years it was left up to the individual to draw their own conclusions about what happened to Nancy after the civil war.

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Keep in mind Nancy Hart's grave marker was placed many, many years after her death - I believe it was purchased by monies raised by school children. .. I believe the death date on the marker to be incorrect. ... Thre are lots of storys regarding Nancy but few facts.

1900 Census Webster Co WV Glade #512 Joshua Douglas b. June 1841/age 58 m. 36 yrs b. WV Father b. WV Mother b. WV; Nancy b. July 1843/age 56 children born 5/living 2 b. Va parents b. NC; George b. Jan 1870/age 30 b.VaFather b. WV Mother b. Va son/single; Keenes M. b. July 1866/age 33 m. 0 (less than one year) son b. Ky-WV-Va; Hailey b. Dec 1877/age 22 ch: 1 born/1 living daughter in law b. WV-Va-Va; Clayton Brown b. Dec 1897/age 2 step grandson b. WV-WV-WV (this is a s/o of Mahalia Baldwin and C. H. Brown)

Keenas Douglas 33 b. Lawrence Co Ky m. 4-3-1900 Greenbrier Co WV Mahala Baldwin age 24 b. Greenbrier Co WV

Joshua Douglas b. 5-24-1838 d. 10-25-1907 .. from stone in Richwood Cemetery, Nicholas Co WV

1910 Claquato Pct Lewis Co Washington#23 Kenes M. Douglas age 43 m. 10 yrs b. Ky; Mahala age 32 Ch: 8 born/5 living b. WV; Ruby G 9 dau b. WV; Moppie F 8 dau b. WV; Joshua 2 son b. WV; Mable 2 mos dau b. Washington; NANCY B. age 66 mother Ch: 6 born/2 living b. Va parents b. NC

#24 George T Douglas age 39 m. 4 yrs b.Va parents b. WV; Bertha B age 20 b. Pa Ch: 1/1; May M. 9 dau b. WV; Jessie 2 dau b. WV

The 1910 Washington State census proves she was alive in 1910 ... but I have never located proof of death/date.

Millie in Richwood

Remark Nellie Bell: You are right about the new marker it was purchased by the 4th Grade Class of Beaver Grade School 1986-1987 Craigsville, WV. The scuttle butt that I have been told, the dates on the new marker came from the original old stone grave marker of Nancy Hart bearing her name and the dates.
My questions:
You are right about Joshua Douglas being buried in the Richwood cemetery, Nicholas Co. WV. but my question is the dates doesn't match up with the
1900 Census Webster Co WV Glade #512; Joshua Douglas Date of birth June 1841
from stone in Richwood Cemetery, WV, Joshua Douglas Date of birth May 1838
We believe they are two different individuals.
Now my second question: By the 1900 Census Webster Co WV Joshua Douglas was married in 1863 (if I did the math right) and if you go with the Cemetery stone date which we believe is right. Date of birth, May 1838, and the 1900 Census Webster Co. Joshua Douglas m. 36 yrs he was married in 1860 before the civil war 1861/1865 so with these dates it's seem very unlikely he was married to Nancy Hart of Roane county.
Where did you find the info that Nancy B. Douglas Surname was Nancy Hart. I need to know if you got your information from a newspaper or the county courthouse records dealing with Nancy B. Douglas Surname.
Thank you:
Nellie Bell

Nov 26, 1862 Cold Knob Mountain - Greenbrier or Nicholas County side of Cold Knob. The confederates camps of the the 14th Rebel Virginia Cavalry Regiment was one of two Confederate camps in the area of Cold Knob Mountain, some two miles apart and around Sinking Creek Valley at the foot of Cold Knob Mountain. After a brief struggle the Confederates surrender and some of the prisoners either walked away or were excused and Nancy was one of those prisoners.
Pat Davis
Greenbrier, West Virginia

Remark Nellie Bell: This is one of those Nancy stories that turn up so often or perhaps Nancy could had been one of those prisoners. Has anyone had any knowledge about the Sinking Creek affair at Cold Knob Mountain, Nov 26, 1862. Email Us!

Nellie
My name is Stephen (Steve) Lester Harold, Jr. My paternal grandmother was Salina (Hart) Harold born on April or, 1855 and died on January 06, 1934. She was the second wife of Daniel Harold; their marriage date was July 17, 1866. Salina was the 11th child of Stephen Hart (b.Abt 1809; d. Oct. 04, 1896) and Mary Jane (Ferrell) Hart (b. Nov. 1810; d. Jan 12, 1888). Among Salina's siblings were a Nancy Hart (6th child of Stephen and Mary) (b. abt. 1846; d. Apr. 23, 1913), a James Hart (2nd Child of Stephen and Mary) (b. abt 1837; d. May 09,1864 in action in the battle of Cloyd's Mountain in VA.) and a Kelly Hart (5th child of Stephen and Mary) (b. abt. 1843; d. Unknown) Kelly also was a Union Soldier in the Civil War. (Please note that Daniel and Salina's grave stones in the Cottrell Cemetery in Calhoun County WV show their last name as Harrold, not Harold. My father explained that his dad had added a second "r" to the spelling of his surname to differentiate himself from those "rebel" Harold's that were fighting for the south.
Now to my question. I have long believed that Salina's sister Nancy was the "famous" Civil War Spy. Recently, however, I have been advised and nearly convinced that this belief was in error; that there was another "Nancy Hart" the daughter of a John and Rebecca Hart that was also residing in Rhone county at the same time as Stephen and Mary Hart were living in there. This Nancy is purported to be the "real Civil war spy". (See website www.nkclifton.com/nancy.html ).
Now to my question. Your web site supports my original belief that "my Nancy" was the Rebel spy. What is your opinion of this new information allegation? I don't really know what to believe now. Please note that while I am mentioned in the above website as agreeing with this "new" revelation, that my sole participation was to agree that the census records listed a John and Rebecca Hart and a daughter Nancy.
Please help me clear up my confusion on this issue if you can.
Sincerely
Steve Harold

Remark Nellie Bell: Mr. Steve, I need to check the website out..... before answer your questions. The only thing I know for certain about the (1860 CENSUS ROANE CO., WEST VIRGINIA) their only one Hart family with the same spelling of Nancy Hart name and the family was Stephen and Mary Hart and Nancy Hart age:14 born abt. 1846 and her father was born: in North Carolina. The other Nancy was the daughter of John and Rebecca Heart and she was born abt. 1843 Age: 17.
My questions:
( #1 ) (6th child of Stephen and Mary) (b. abt. 1846; d. Apr. 23, 1913), I need to know if you got your information from a newspaper or the county courthouse records dealing with Nancy Hart death of (Apr. 23, 1913)
( #2) Mary Jane (Ferrell) Hart (b. Nov. 1810; d. Jan 12, 1888). I got Mary Surname as Plumley b.1812, could you give me more info on Ferrell......
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Nellie
I have two sources for Mary Jane's surname being FERREL or FERRELL. First, the most authoritave source. I have a copy of an Oath or Declaration signed by Stephen Hart on the 7th of March 1891 attendant to his application for a federal pension from the US Government as the dependent father of his son James Hart who was killed on the 9th day of May 1864 in the Civil War at the battle of Cloyd's mountain in Virginia. In this Oath/Declaration he "declares that he was married to Mary Ferrel on the 10th day of April 1831 in Russell County Virginia and that his wife the said Mary (Ferrel) Hart died on the 12th day of January, 1888 in Rhone Co., W. Va" The Oath/Declaration was certified by Justice of Peace J. N. Ross on 7 March 1891. The second source was from a Geological Report researched and published on 4 September 1993 by a distant cousin, James L. Brannon. His report is largely based on records that he researched at the Rhone County courthouse in Spencer, WV. We had a chance meeting when I was also researching Harold family at the courthouse. In his report he lists Mary Jane's surname as Ferrell. I have not fully resolved the different spelling of the surname (use of a 2nd "l"). I chose to use two "l's" in my file as many other researchers on RootsWeb.com spell the surname of Mary and her parents William and Jane. Further, in a letter to my niece, an uncle states that his grandmothers name was Ferrell and that their family was originally from Ireland and that the name was originally O'Farrel.

I do not have good documentation in hand on the death of Nancy in 1913. I believe that I took this information from the website that I gave you in my original Email. I stand ready to be corrected if this is in error

Remark Nellie Bell: Mr. Steve, if Salina Hart and Daniel Harold marriage date was July 17, 1866. Salina would be abt. 11 years old which seems a bit young .... Daniel Harold would be abt. 24 (if I did the math right)...... The marriage date July 17, 1866 is this the Correct Marriage Date for Salina Hart and Daniel Harold?

Back to your original question about the website.
The memorial at her gravesite (http://www.nkclifton.com/nancyh.grave.html) point to her birth date of 1846 and the date of death as 1902. According to the Roane County 1860 census records, Nancy Hart ( daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart ) was born abt. 1846, depending when the census was taken before or after her birthday, this would make her about 14 or 15 on the 1860 Roame census report. Further, this would be the exact birth date the memorial at her gravesite point to. According to census records, John and Rebecca Heart daughter was born July 1843. So if, this is the location of Nancy Hart confederate spy Grave, her gravesite point to Stephen and Mary Hart daughter b.1846, d.1902. So all of those historical societies over the past 40 years might be right about Nancy Hart's parents.
At http://www.nkclifton.com/salinaht.html the webpage of Salina Hart, daughter of Stephen Hart, she was born 1845. According to my database and your, Salina Hart, daughter of Stephen Hart wasn't born until 1855. So, the date 1845 clearly shows that this couldn't be Stephen and Mary Hart daughter, she was born 1855. On the other hand the webmaster probably made an error on the date......
My personal opinion the website is not consistent with what the facts was actually showing.

Nellie
Oops, I reviewed my original Email to you and I made a goof on Salina and Daniel's marriage date- - -it was 7-17-1886 not 1866. This had to be a typo error!! Salina was 31 at the time of her marriage and Daniel was 44. Daniel's birth date is 4-4-1842. Sorry for the mis-information.
You might be interested in the circumstances of Salina's and Daniel's having met. Salina became the "Caretaker" for Daniel's first wife Mary Jane Vaughn during a prolonged illness after the birth of her 9th child Daniel Jr. who was born on 9-20-1884. Mary Jane died 4-7-1885. Daniel and Mary Jane were married 8-30-1866. Daniel married Salina a little over a year after Mary's death.
Thanks for your information regarding Nancy. I think as you do that those historical societies are probably correct. The 1845 date of birth for Salina is definitely wrong. As you surmise it must be a typo- - -just like mine above!!! The 1860 Census clearly shows Salina as 5 years old!!
Steve Harold

Just found this article on the Richwood site and found it very interesting. I am very interested in Nancy Hart as she was married to my ggUncle Joshua Douglas. There are records of her sons, George and Kenos, in Greenbrier County. We know that she lived in Trout, we know that she lived on the head of Spring Creek. Her son, Kenos, was born in Ky. Her son, George, was born in Virginia. We know she lived in Webster County, we know that she lived in Washington State. Census records tell us she had 7 kids, only have records of 2 surviving. We know this information is true as we have looked at the various records. We "think" she died in 1912, but cannot prove this. There is a death certificate in Greenbrier County of a N.R. Douglas who died in 1912. We know there was no Douglass in Greenbrier County in 1910.
If you use this information, please acknowledge your source.
Paul and Genelle Douglas Flippin

Remark Nellie Bell: You indicate Nancy was still alive in 1912. The memorial at her grave site point to her date of death as 1902 so who is buried at Manning Knob, near Richwood.
I have searched the death index from the 1900s onwards but have found no record of her death.

My name is Judith Hollandsworth Shifflett. I am the great great granddaughter of Nancy Hart. I was raised by my Grandmother, who was Nancy Harts Granddaughter. My Grandmother was raised by Nancy Hart. My Grandmother was at Nancy Harts Burial on Manning Knob. The Year was 1913. I know this for a fact.

Remark Nellie Bell: You indicate Nancy died in 1913. The memorial at her grave site on Manning Knob point to her date of death as 1902 and the grave is in the cemetery where the Manning family buried their slaves.
I have searched the death index from the 1900s onwards but have found no record of her death.